We want to start this post by giving a brief trigger warning. The topics discussed in this post pertain to mass casualty events, school shootings, death, gun violence, and bombings/terrorist attacks. Please proceed with caution if you are sensitive to these topics.

No one in healthcare or education (or anyone for that matter) wants to think about what they would have to do in the event of a mass shooting or multiple casualty events. However, these topics are becoming increasingly a reality in our everyday lives.

For this episode, we sat down with a legend in the sports medicine emergency care realm, Mr. Ed Strapp. Ed is a state trooper and flight paramedic with the Maryland State Police and an athletic trainer. He is the co-owner of Sports Medicine Emergency Management and a massive voice in the advocacy of athletic trainers and emergency care.

In our chat with Ed, we talked about the part athletic trainers can and should play in the care and management of emergency care in an MCI (mass casualty incident).

First, as athletic trainers, our most important job in the first few minutes is to create calm out of the chaos. In the first 5-10 minutes our goal is to create organization and planning to identify what has happened and triage the victims involved. Our goal should be to identify as many people that are hurt and how bad, as we can and to create a sorting system that can help other medical professionals and EMS to provide the most timely and accurate care possible.

In a question submitted by a listener and follower of the show, we asked Ed, as athletic trainers is our top priority only to our athletes/coaches, or do we care for the fans as well? Do we go off who is closest to us? How do we decide who we take care of first?

Ed- “…Look at your position statement and your policies and procedures. For most in athletics, your primary concern will be athletes, officials, coaches, and anyone affiliated with that event.” There should be separate policies that are specific to athletics. Do not just rely on the policies and procedures that your institution (college/secondary school) provides during school hours.

Any another section Em and Victoria asked what should be included in the “oh shit” kits and whether should we have separate kits (from our medical bags). For the information here listen to our episode.

A question that we received multiple times on Twitter asked who we (ATs) should include in our task force for our MCI procedures.

• Campus Admin- AD, school superintendents/presidents, principals
• Community Resources- SRO(school resource officer), local Fire/Police/EMS
• Community- radio, tv stations, social media

Things that need to be included in your EAP to help it run smoothly.

• Coaches training
• Meetings with athletic departments
• Tabletop exercises
• Scenario Training- anytime there are changes with personnel; seasonally; once a year community training
• After action reports
• De-briefs

A fun piece of advice Ed included was how to market yourself as an AT to the local community such as to police, EMS, Fire, etc. I think all ATs should listen to this to learn ways to connect and earn the trust of the local healthcare professionals.

To end our discussion on this topic we talked about what ATs should do in the aftermath of an MCI. Our first step was to make sure you are prepared. I good plan and policy/procedures will help tremendously in knowing that you did everything you could and should have done.

Also if you are dealing with the mental aspect of what happened, you can reach out to ATCares to help with the response. Also suggested was reaching out to school, hospital, and team counseling services.

This episode was a much-needed topic full of information that athletic trainers need to know or refresh themselves on. The entire episode is available wherever you listen to your podcast so please check it out and let us know how you plan to use the advice and information in your setting.

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Thanks for reading and as always, Remember most things are debATable!

For this episode, the hosts sat down with two athletic trainers to discuss the good tips for being a good host when it comes to hosting a game or tournament.

Our first guest was Lauren Hoyt, a former secondary school athletic trainer (now clinic AT) who is passionate about this very topic. In fact, she has presented on the topic of hosting at several state conferences. Fun Fact, a post that Lauren shared on twitter is the original reason for this episode topic.

The second guest of the show was Stephanie Grajek, secondary school AT in metro Detroit. Funny story was just after recording this episode Steph was hosting a large tournament.

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For our 1st segment we talked about the ATLAS survey.

https://ksi.uconn.edu/atlas/atlas-survey-and-maps/

The ATLAS survey (Athletic Training Location and Services) is a survey form the Korey Stringer Institute from the University of Connecticut.

From KSI: Disclaimer: The information displayed in these maps were obtained through an online self-report survey taken by Athletic Trainers and was collected by the Korey Stringer Institute (KSI) with assistance from the NATA Secondary School Committee and its members. Depending on the last date of communication with each school and changes in medical needs, information on the maps may not reflect the current athletic training services.

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Our 2nd segment we played our favorite game THIS or THAT.

Would you rather be the host AT or the visiting AT?

Between the hosts and the guests it was split evenly. 2 wanted to host and 2 wanted to be the visitor.

When this question was asked on twitter, 58.6% of those that responded wanted to the the host AT while the remaining 41.4% wanted to the be visiting AT. (116 people responded.)

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For our main topic the four of us just chatted about what we thought were good ideas, advice, procedures, and so on to be the best host possible. We have listed the brief topics below.

• Do you reach out to the visiting teams (and ATs) before the event?
• What do you include in your contact email, letter, phone call, or text?
• How soon do you reach out? When do you consider too late to be contacted by the host AT?
• Secondary School vs Collegiate Level: hosting
• What do you set up for games/tournaments?
• What do you do when your school becomes a neutral site for hosting (playoffs/ large tournament)
• KSI Medical Time out form: https://ksi.uconn.edu/prevention/emergency-action-plans/medical-time-out/
• Do you post information or EAPs online?
• Student training programs: Presents, meeting other ATs, student jobs
• Do you check on the visiting team post event?
• Who do you include in your medical time outs?
• Providing access to private restroom/locker room for opposite gender ATs or nonbinary/trans ATs
• Sending kits with team you are not traveling with.

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If you would like to know more on hosting be sure to listen to the entire episode on whatever podcast service you use. Be sure to listen for a way to get a free pack of stickers from out show.

AS ALWAYS REMEMBER MOST THINGS ARE DEBATABLE!!!

This article follows Episode 5 of The debATable Podcast.

Welcome to out first supporting article. These blog post are meant to provide a supplement to things discussed in podcast episodes. Typically you will find links to articles, websites, videos, to twitter discussion that are talked about in an episode. We hope to have these out following the release of each new episode of our shows. So stay tuned for continued postings and thanks again for coming on this journey will us.

August 15, 2022

In this week’s episode Em and I sat down and talked all things food with Paul Rupp, Mark Danza, and Kyle Rutledge. See below for a brief overview of our topics and discussions and then if you haven’t already make sure to listen and follow along in the fun.

This or That:

• Meeting up with friends at a restaurant/bar
• Having a get together at someone’s house/Hosting

Pop Culture Moment/Recipe time

• What is your go to favorite food/recipe to make or bring to a party?

Weekly Debate:

• How do you manage to make sure that you are eating enough throughout the day while having a crazy schedule?
• Do you make sure to have meal times planned out?
• What is your favorite part about cooking?
• Ice cream club and coffee club? Why do you think they are so popular among Twitter ATs?
• Tips for YPs for work/life balance? Having the time to make more complicated meals. (Looking at you Mark)
• Any cooking tips for ATs

The main subject of this blog this week is to post the recipes that we as ATs enjoy. So continue to read below for our favorite go to recipes. And if you try these out at home tag us on twitter with #ATFoodClub so we can see how they turn out.

First up we have Mark:

2 sausages (hot Italian is my preference)

Broccoli chopped

Garlic chopped

Orecchiette

• Open, crumble, and brown sausage while you start water for pasta
• When water boils add orecchiette, when sausage is browned add garlic and broccoli
• Add some water from pasta into pan with sausage and broccoli and cover
• When orecchiette is almost cooked, add more water from pasta pot to sausage mixture, drain pasta and add pasta to sausage mix covered for about 5 min and then uncovered to finish for a couple more minutes
• Add pepper to taste
• Grate fresh parmesan on top and enjoy!

Kyle Rutledge

S’mores Bars

Ingredients

3 sticks of butter

10 oz chocolate chips or chocolate chunks (your choice)

10oz package mini marshmallows

2 packages of graham crackers

1. Preheat oven to 375F

2. Crush graham crackers into fine pieces

3. Melt down the butter

4. Pour the butter in with the crushed graham crackers

5. Spread out mixture in a 13×9 pan

6. Pour Chocolate chips onto graham crackers covering entire pan

7. Lay the Marshmallows on top covering entire pan

8. Crush a few graham crackers and sprinkle on top

9. Bake 375 for 15 minutes

10. Cool and cut into squares

For added flavor add a layer of creamy peanut butter to the graham cracker base before adding chocolate chips.

These are just two of the recipes we discussed. Stay tuned for a part 2 for the last 3 recipes.

And as always, remember most things are… debatable!

-Victoria Morris